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Bigotry, The Internet, And You

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(Do you see the Saxophone player or is it a womans face?)

Many “hate”posts are one thing masquerading as something else. (Conversely the artist might not have intended any Saxophones in the picture at all.) It’s best to carefully consider what the intent is, before lending your support to, or raising your indignation about a submission!

While it is true, the World Wide Web is an extraordinary bastion for the principals of free speech and the free exchange of ideas it can also be a breeding ground for hate and groups who seek to spread it. Shockingly, these types of sites are on the rise in recent times. It’s a razor’s edge that divides the issue of free speech from lurid racism and bigotry.

This is a serious problem. On one hand, I personally am opposed to censorship. On the other, hate groups like Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church have certainly caused suffering and harm.

You simply can not have freedom of speech without giving it to others. People, even those who only seek to spread ignorance and hate, must have their right to speak. After all, it is never an issue to grant free speech to someone you agree with, it is granting that right to someone who opposes your personal views that is more difficult to come to terms with.

Hate Site

However we have no obligation to listen. I suggest as a Propeller member, if you view a post that promotes hatred, first recognize it for what it is …futile, worthless, and ignorant. Do not vote for it, sink it. Many sites submitted fly just below the radar by substituting slightly more “politically correct” terminology for obvious epithets. Yet in the end, a particular race, group of people, or religion is demonized as a source of all the problems in the universe. What I believe is the best approach is simply to minimize the volume of the voice of hate through community unity. If you agree with me that every human life is equally valuable, that hatred erodes our humanity, then do not patronize hate filled submissions. Don’t vote, don’t encourage, and if your so inclined, sink it. If you feel it obviously and seriously violates the terms of use, report it. If you don’t recall the Propeller terms of use, here they are as expressed on the site:

You may use Propeller.com for lawful purposes only. You may not submit, offer links from, or transmit through Propeller.com any material, or otherwise engage in any conduct that: violates or infringes the rights of others including, without limitation, patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright, publicity or other proprietary rights; is unlawful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, libelous, deceptive, fraudulent, obscene, pornographic, invasive of another’s privacy, tortious, or contains explicit or graphic descriptions, or accounts of, sexual acts; victimizes, harasses, degrades, or intimidates an individual or group of individuals on the basis of religion, gender, sexual orientation, race, ethnicity, age, or disability;
impersonates any person, business or entity, including our employees and agents; contains viruses or any other computer code, files or programs that interrupt, destroy or limit the functionality of any computer software or hardware or telecommunications equipment, or otherwise permit the unauthorized use of a computer or computer network;
encourages conduct that would constitute a criminal offense, or that gives rise to civil liability; offers, promotes or encourages betting or wagering prohibited by law; violates these Terms of Use, guidelines or any policy posted on Propeller.com, or interferes with the use of Propeller.com by others. You may not use Propeller.com in a way that could damage or impair our servers or networks. You may not interfere with any other party’s use and enjoyment of Propeller.com. You may not attempt to gain unauthorized access to our services, user accounts, computer systems or networks. We may take any legal and technical remedies to prevent the violation of these Terms of Use.

Of particular interest to this article is: “victimizes, harasses, degrades, or intimidates an individual or group of individuals on the basis of religion, gender, sexual orientation, race, ethnicity, age, or disability.” I don’t believe the large majority of members want knee-jerk (ooch!…My chin!) political correctness nor do they condone true gloating bigotry.

Special Comic Relief Section….
  • Q. How many racists does it take to change a light bulb?
  • A. 100 …. 1 to change the bulb and 99 to deny that the bulb is being changed.
  • Q. What do you call a Muslim who flies a plane?
  • A. ….A pilot!
  • Q. How many Blacks does it take to change a lightbulb?
  • A. …One
  • A Rabbi, A Priest, and an Atheist walk into a bar………. Ouch!
….End comic relief

Some join the site for mischief, using site names that insult or degrade others. (This bears no similarity to a good natured jest). Some clearly state in their bios they are here to harass and denigrate. Still others are obsessed with hate and hijack every thread they post on with unrelated ranting. I recommend simply ignoring them. As in all these cases nothing pleases the perpetrators more than knowing they were effective cyber bullies. Propeller has enjoyed far less of this than other sites of this nature, together we can keep it that way. Shall we?

It is the expressed view of this site that many improvements and complaints can be addressed through the community itself , rather than expecting management to do it for us. Think carefully before giving an article your support. Is it hateful? Do you really want to participate in disseminating the article if it is? The community has it’s own inherent power to help or hinder any submission.

One for all, All for one!

(none for racism.)

Sincerely,

d’Artagnan

Coping With Bigotry on Propeller

I have become somewhat of an authority on the boorish art of racial epithets and ethnic slurs from my participation on Propeller and that dubious distinction is by no means anything to boast about. Nonetheless, it is a fact. Having reviewed other competing forums on the web, I must acknowledge that Propeller’s share of bigoted commentary fortunately does not compare. Hate-filled dialogue characteristic to these other “social” blog sites is rampant and for the most part, it goes unchecked. To conclude, however, that personal harassment and abusive comments directed at Propeller’s members is not harmful and potentially threatening to our community as a whole would be a mistake.

Since my participation commenced at Propeller (and Netscape), I have observed an improvement in how management confronts those who consistently violate the rights of others. Nevertheless, there are those — and always will be those, who learn how to violate the spirit of the rules of conduct without risking penalty. So it is ultimately up to us — or should I say it is up to me to learn how to cope with these characters. I think it would also be beneficial for each of us to ask ourselves the question: “how do I handle personal attacks?”

“Not so good!” I must sometimes admit. To correct my reactions to the scurrilous attacks of a few requires vigilance and humility. Unfortunately, I am not overly endowed with the latter virtue. Yet, there are those times that I can respectfully communicate my disapproval, release the hurt, and remain on center. There are also those rare times that I do not reply — that I simply bury the hurt and anger and must wait to expunge its unpleasant effects. During those episodes, I can easily react unfavorably to even the best-intentioned comments.

Recently, during the dialogue on a thread from a story that I posted entitled “Anti-Semitism, A Dead Issue” I sustained the usual personal attacks from my small fan club and then misinterpreted a perfectly innocent comment. Regrettably, I proceeded to lambaste that person. It was days later when I realized that I had made this mistake. An apology should be a sincere attempt to correct a wrong and to make it right. I blasted this poor soul openly on the thread and to privately send him a personal message does not cut it.

Permit me the liberty of using this forum to convey my apologies to BoxMonkey for misconstruing the following remark.

This is not new news [ anti-semitism ] . In Ridgewood a communitty that borders Queens and Brooklyn, there are many Jewish cemetaries that have been vandalized throughout the years. Tombstones that date back to the 1800’s. Anti-semitism is alive in all communities I’ve visited . Most recently exploited in that movie ” Borat ” . And although the Jews get the most attention when the word Holocaust is used , let’s not forget the Armenians , Kurds , Somalians and many other religious or nationalities that have faced similiar consequences that are not publisized by the press .

For failing to cope with abusive remarks from a few other participants on the thread, I completely misunderstood his commentary. “This is not new news.” Under normal conditions, I would understand that remark. Yet at that moment, it sounded to me like a criticism and then I anticipated another insensitive or callous remark to follow. In addition, I read the words, “And although the Jews get the most attention…” my defenses went up. “Here come the stereotypes“, I muttered to myself. My ability to read the comment objectively evaporated on the spot. I hope this truthful explanation and apology will be accepted. If I could take back my criticisms of his remarks I would.

Have you ever lashed out and displaced frustration by attacking an innocent participant on Propeller? Well, I have done it more times than I care to admit. How do we cope with our own shortcomings and mistakes when they hurt others? Do we care enough about the other member to apologize or do we forget about them and just move on? I have seen enough members leave Propeller simply because they could not cope with their own mistakes or the persistent harassment from other members. I believe the best thing we can do when any of us reach that jumping off place is to share it with someone you can trust. That never fails for me.

Most of us enjoy exchanging controversial ideas without dialogue riddled with personal attacks. In cyberspace, even on Propeller, we encounter those who only want to hurt and disrupt. Coping with these disruptive influences takes some of us practice. It does for me. Rest assured, there will be those who give us more than enough opportunity to learn.

For anyone submitting contentious stories, such as topics on radical Christian fundamentalism, to not expect passionate debate would be foolish. Most Propeller heads have routinely witnessed malicious personal attacks that accompany these stimulating discussions.

Coping with bigotry, racism, and anti-Semitic remarks can sometimes be a painful experience. For the most part, when I recognize that I am a member of a community with many allies that share my distaste for this kind of conduct, I can maintain a more even temper. To all my friends, I must extend my gratitude to them for expressing their views and for not remaining silent in the presence of these unpleasant demonstrations. It is a testament to the best of our community to acknowledge that these members make up the vast majority. Having witnessed other communities disintegrate because of rampant displays of racism, oppressive misogyny, and anti-Semitism, I think it is imperative for those of us who value the freedom that we have on Propeller, to do what we can to protect it. When we treat others with the respect and dignity that we all deserve, we make Propeller a safe and fun place to share important ideas.

The Launch Of Propellertalk


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A new site (Propellertalk) that will act as an ongoing forum for and about the Propeller social news site has successfully launched it’s first series of articles. Feedback has been both brisk and very positive. The maiden voyage has enjoyed a pleasant turbulence free flight in fair weather. We are pleased our first offering has been well received by the community. This has been a personally rewarding triumph for those of us involved with the launch.

The Propellertalk site is manned by:

  • Brandon Kumm -Pilot (editor and writer)
  • aka Bkumm
  • Michal P. - Bombardier (editor and writer)
  • aka Gamahuche
  • Benjamin New - Flight Surgeon (editor and writer)
  • aka Radiofreeeuropa
  • Derek van Vliet -Navigator (editor and technical advisory)
  • aka Neophile


Propellertalk will be adding material and features in the future with the expressed goal of being both a supplement and enhancement to propeller.com. See our mission statement here. Michal has referred to us in his most recent post as 4 musketeers. The motto “all for one and one for all” would indeed seem to reflect the intent of this web site and perhaps the 4 of us personally as well.

All for one -we honor the individual as a valuable asset yet distinctly separate ingredient in the stock pot of our community.

One for all - our individual efforts combined are greater than the sum of the parts. Wheels within wheels. Like the Universe itself, a series of nesting spheres.

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  • PROPELLER HAT

    Part 3: THE JOY OF BLOGGING

    Preamble:

    After the great pieces by RFE and Bkumm and the lively and very friendly discussion they engendered I had some trepidation about coming on last till I realised that the last act has to be the starring one and then I REALLY got stagefright and the Universe started to create obstacles - a train home which broke down - that was a first in this country - fatigue, persons and dogs desirous of company and time and pleasure. And then procrastination…

    At my boarding school in England I was the one who didn’t START writing till the last deadline was past and I had received special dispensation to complete by MIDNIGHT. But midnight would be when I started because I knew they wouldn’t look in the mailbox till 7 a.m. By midnight we were already locked down of course and any visible light would create catastrophe, including a whacking. So I would grope downstairs in the dark, hide in a cupboard with no windows, breathlessly write like a fiend of the night, one giant gobful of breathless prose, barely paragraphed - of course no computers, no re-writes, no corrections - and win prizes. Like the “Lamb Essay Prize” [Charles Lamb, “Lamb’s Tales from Shakespeare” was a former pupil and the “house” that I lived in was also named after him], for an essay written by a hundred kids in one great hall, under exam conditions, which also created that “just do it” atmosphere. The title “I would rather be a square peg than fit in a pigeon-hole”. So that’s gamahuche’s MO and if you give me deadlines I’ll test them and if I give myself deadlines I mostly ignore them.
    Plaudits for RFE, Bkumm and Neo and YOU!!:

    (see The Launch Of Propellertalk)

    I could simply say: “I agree with almost EVERYTHING that my virtual colleagues said. Didn’t they do well? Let’s give them a big hand!! And you were a TERRIFIC audience! Thank you all for coming to the show and please tell your friends!” Make a bow, acknowledge the applause and simply step out of the limelight [my 15 mins - fortunately at my advanced age one can EXPECT a second or third helping] and wait for all the rumoured fabulous changes at propeller to occur. The sock-puppets to get socked, the spammers to scuttle back into their underground holes like roaches when the light’s turned on, and for all of you wise and intelligent Propeller-ites to look over your shoulders EVERY time you even THINK of voting on a story blindly or on an “I’ll scratch your back if you scratch mine basis”. [Knowing that the FOUR musketeers, including the so-far invisible but for us very significant colleague and technical wizard, neophile, are looking over your every vote and recording every incident of deviance in our little black book..] Not! - but sometimes I’m surprised by the perpetrators!…

    However:

    I would kick myself if I didn’t make the most of this moment!

    “I have a dream” has already been taken and “Change” is too nebulous a concept to run on here, so I’ll start with describing the genesis [sink opportunity, RD!] of this collaboration of ours. Conception was on a thread of Spadecaller’s, from about 2 weeks ago: “Stereotypes and Prejudices at Propeller.com”, a MASSIVE thread (181 votes and 594 comments), filed in full here with the actual labour and birth on the thread starting precisely here.

    The infant initiative “No Content = No Vote” [baptised by Bkumm] was born swiftly, very much alive and kicking, with four fathers but alas, so far motherless.

    Yes that IS an invitation! Female input is needed, required and desired - and definitely NOT for taking out the empties; we’ll use some sock-puppet “volunteers” for that. Do I see any socks in the air?

    And then to the creation of a nice CLEAN blog-site - so far without any offers for breast-implants for robots - which is beautifully and patiently managed by neo, with the knowledge, but not the connivance of the Propeller.com powers-that-be, and to this series of articles. Access to the blog is available to you, gentle reader, as a facility to discuss all issues relevant to propeller and our use and experience of it. You’ll find it at propellertalk.com

    We are NOT a faction of politically correct clones or busybodies or seeking to promote any other agenda than the “Joy of Blogging” and all the ways in which that can be protected, supported, enhanced, nourished and cherished.

    We will invite creative and informational input from the Propeller management and staff but we are not beholden to them or anybody else, nor for sale at any price. [Well a few million and a quick getaway to a secret computer-free destination MIGHT create some temptation..Hint for EXTREMELY wealthy sock-puppet-masters - I LOVE islands, esp. ones that come with boats!]

    Re relations with “Head Office” I have had nothing but good experience and some very nice unsolicited feedback, even when I’ve erroneously got my knickers in a twist through a miscomprehension. Yesterday to Bkumm’s thread one whom I had never encountered before (Shay) posted the following:

    “I’m with you on this and, IMO, this story and the feedback it’s getting is what makes propeller such an awesome site. You only see real members commenting right now because we real members are the ones who care for this site and where. And I hope that everyone here will advice of the article and leave adolescent behavior for myspace and facebook.”

    I could not agree more, especially about the “real members” aspect! Where were the “others” last night and on RFE’s thread? At the very end of last night one did appear - one that I’m not familiar with, who made a short pitch which provoked perhaps the only neg on the thread, apart from Bkumm’s inadvertent neg of RFE! [sheesh - with friends like these who needs enemies :)]

    VOTE FOR ME

    We four [so far] PUG’s [propeller user’s group - NOT pug-nacious b**tards, nor to be confused with re-pugs] do all know each other, only virtually, so far; we definitely all respect each other; personally speaking, especially since a lot of my “work” work is solitary [not as in confinement, nor as night-guard at the municipal parking-lot] so working with colleagues like these has been a joy for me.

    We are also a varied bunch in terms of geography, life-experience, interests but I believe I can speak for all of us in saying that we all share the desire for propeller to be a safe, healthy and above all interesting and entertaining environment because we want to hang out here, make friends, and ESPECIALLY natter about almost anything under the sun and till the cows come home and write hideously turgid prose full of mixed-metaphors and wild non-sequiturs and purple passages of alarming shades.

    Well that’s my take and I must admit to not having authority to represent all of us on the precise details. Dark beer or light? Can I say BOTH, guys?

    Anyway they’ll have their chance in a while when this gets posted and they can descend like vultures and pick the carcass of my effort to pieces. As can you! I already know the time of the slow train to Siberia. It hasn’t changed since Communist days. BORING it must not be! nor dominated by one kind of thinking or any kind of political correctness.
    Lively debate, rapier-like wit, sense and empathy, tolerance and acceptance are all highly encouraged. Antagonism and hostility are not to be frowned on but creative put-downs are so much more elegant and potent than the “that’s horsecrap” variety.

    The rules that Propeller already has should be respected because by becoming a member one is contractually agreeing to abide by those rules. And those laws of human intercourse are valuable. Even virtual corpses need proper burial and I’ve seen a very few instances of virtual assassination..
    Commercial Break:

    rubbish

    [btw the following happened a while ago and has now disappeared - sorry to disappoint you]
    OH MY GOD! I just flipped to the prop front page and the top story as of this moment is
    “NEW HOT !! dana jacobson sex tapee” [sic]
    posted by the redoutable
    dfgsdfgser
    assisted by his friends:
    jioshwejndfsm
    swlskdoje
    sdfpsjdklf
    sdpfjsdk
    sdflpowej
    spdofjksl
    dfgoishdfj
    lasopkjeur
    sdfpolwjei
    dskfjijlkfd
    fsiuhsdkhk
    sdfjilske
    kijlreso
    lopashett
    dfgsdfgser

    Sunk, so far, by me and Oscar, with whom I seldom agree but who posted some wonderfully moving posts about eagles a while ago..
    Oh and my inbox just offered me a weight loss program.
    Enough said..

    Or perhaps I should end with the words which a good friend in London, an anarchist, dope-smoking and very respectable -seeming MD, put on a banner outside his house at election time: DON’T VOTE: DON’T ENCOURAGE THEM. THEM as far as Propellertalk is concerned means the people who don’t contribute anything TO Propeller except mawkish or misbegotten or half-baked junk or plain bs. with the sole purpose of personal financial gain.

    P.S.:

    Votes are free, votes are easy, votes cost you nothing but remember that whenever you vote for garbage the jewel of your being shines less brightly. We want you here in all your humanity; the time that you waste in voting for people who could care less about you removes you from the very community in which you have chosen to be. A virtual fight with your Propeller nemesis is more worthy than surrendering to the blandishments of the people who vote and virtually NEVER comment!

    Thanks for your time! Thanks for being here!

    If you love it or hate it let us know and lets look forward to some great stories, some great discussions and some great friendships.

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  • No Content = No Vote, Part 2

    Let me tell you about a typical day for me in the wonderful world of cyberspace.

    After my morning walk (the last exercise I’ll get all day), I turn on my computer and check my e-mail. Do you love spam? I know I do. I especially like the hour or so it takes me each morning to go through my e-mail and delete the messages I get that tell me I can have a bigger penis or that bignipples26 wants to be my friend on MySpace or that for just $199 a week I too can learn how to make money off the Internet. Sure I can. All I have to do is get a couple of bozos to send me $199 a week for a list of e-mail addresses and I’m set.

    Better is when I go to Propeller and find that my PM box is full of messages from people begging me for votes on such salient topics as, “How to make your beer cold in five seconds or less!” and “Naked Jessica Alba Pictures!! HOT!!”. Now, I don’t know about you, but I need cold beer in five seconds or less. Planning ahead to have cold beer or just putting the beer in the freezer and waiting fifteen minutes isn’t going to cut it. I need it cold NOW!!! And while I wait that five seconds, I can spend some time ogling Jessica Alba. Thankfully, there are a couple of stories right there on the front page of Propeller that will give me what I need and I can vote for them too. Good for me!

    Then of course, there are the fifty or so messages I get each day from people I’ve never even heard of with such great screen-names as, “Pleasevoteformystory123” and “Nocontent54”. These are my favorite, because all I have to do is vote for them and my latest submission, “How To Get A Story To The Front Page Of Propeller” will get votes out the wazoo. “Nocontent54” is sure to vote for my story if I’ll just vote for his. Ah, the wonderful world of reciprocal voting.

    By this time, I’ve been on the computer for two hours and have accomplished basically nothing except to go through my messages from my e-mail and Propeller. Now, I can get down to the serious business of reading all of the fantastic content in the stories that I’ve voted for, commenting on them and generally enjoying the camaraderie that I’ve come to enjoy and expect on Propeller.

    But, I start to get down a little after I check out “Nocontent54’s” submission. It sounds like a great submission, which is why I voted for it. I mean, who doesn’t want to be informed about great pictures of Bill Smith’s back yard. It’s something that has always fascinated me, so I’m on my way to the story to check it out. When I get there, though, I notice something strange. First of all, there’s only one picture of Mr. Smith’s back yard and it’s not even a good one. If I want to see an old beat up pick-up on blocks I’ll look in my own back yard. And really, there isn’t a second of all because the rest of the site is nothing more than banner ads, Google ads and links to more sites which I’m sure have similar fantastic content.

    Well, now I’m starting to get pissed, but I persevere, noting that my great submission about getting a story to the Front Page of Propeller is picking up votes from all kinds of people, like “BannerAdsBoy” and “AdSenseRocks” so, in an effort to be nice and share the love, I dutifully check out their submissions, after voting for them. Surprisingly, “BannerAdsBoy’s” submission about “Fantastic New Bras” is a five page ad for his? new bra line. I figure I’ll have better luck at “AdSenseRocks’s” site. I mean, how could we go wrong with a submission like, “Funny Duck Pictures”? Well, we can. I get to the site and it’s ONE funny duck picture and six pages of AdSense ads about ducks and duck related items. Really.

    Okay, that’s it. Now its lunch time and time for me to give my aching voting finger a rest. So, I make a sandwich and fortify myself with Coke for the afternoon. So far, it hasn’t been a great day on Propeller, but the afternoon submissions have to be better and with all of the voting I’ve been doing for my “friends” I’m sure to have a ton of votes for my submission as well.

    Back on the computer after a twenty minute break and I’ve already got fifteen new e-mails informing me that if I’ll help Mr. Ongo’s widow get the money from his estate in Nigeria by simply handing over my social security number, my home phone number, my bank account information and passwords, I’ll receive a portion of her $120 million inheritance and I can STILL get a bigger penis if I’ll just act now. All they want me to do is write my name and address on a piece of paper, throw it away and send $50 a month to an address. Sounds fine to me.

    Back on Propeller, I’ve got ten new PM’s asking me to vote for really important submissions from my new friends, “SpamMakesMoney”, “NoContentAgain55” and “SockPuppetsforCash12”. I note that they’ve already voted for my story, which is now on the front page, so I vote for theirs. Fair is fair. But, the disappointment continues when I note that the total amount of content on their twelve submissions is less than this sentence. But, there are a ton of great ads!

    Finally, I get down to the serious business of commenting on a submission about evolution from my friend EvolutionRocks, where I’m roundly attacked, vilified and submitted to accusations about everything from my character to the content of my mother’s boudoir. Fun times and really what I live for. I keep checking my submission and note that it’s climbing the Front Page faster than, “Bush Authorizes Military Junta For US, Elections Postponed”. Which is good, because who really cares about the Constitution anyway?

    By this point, I’m starting to get a little worn out and I realize I forgot to put my beer in the refrigerator and so I follow the instructions from “How to get my beer cold…” And instead of waiting the required five seconds I wait almost TEN seconds, so my lips should freeze to the beer can, right? Wrong. Damn thing is still warm and the naked pictures of Jessica Alba turned out to be a couple of pictures from a movie she did showing her ass. Great.

    Warm beer in hand, I spend the next couple of hours voting, commenting and checking out story after story, hoping that I can sift through the chaff to find an important story or two. By the time I’m ready for bed at midnight, I’m half pissed up on warm beer ( I keep forgetting to put them in the fridge and the stupid “Cold Beer” submission is a bust) but at the end of the night I note the stories on the Front Page before I head off to blissful oblivion.

    News “How To Get A Story To The Front Page Of Propeller” (I ROCK)

    Pets “Funny Duck Pictures”

    Food “How to get your beer cold in five seconds or less!!!”

    Celebrities “Naked Jessica Alba Pics. HOT!!!”

    Science “Evolution Rocks”

    Politics “Bush Authorizes Military Junta For US, Elections Postponed”

    Celebrities “Bill Smith’s Backyard Pics”

    Money “How AdSense Made Me a Million”

    Religion “Jesus Loves Me, But He Can’t Stand You”

    Do No Evil “Whitetail Deer Refuge”

    Humor “Lost Parody”

    Health and Fitness “Drink Beer and Lose Weight”

    Gadgets and Tech “Microsoft GP-36×9kl$@@L Software Patch”

    Sports “Packers Win Pennant, Advance to World Cup”

    News “Iraq War Ends”

    Religion “Was St. Paul Real?”

    Politics “Democrats Declare Victory in Canada

    Food “I Love Tomatoes”

    Do No Evil “My Mommy Loves Me, Please Vote For My Story”

    Autos “Cars That TALK!!!”

    Money “No Content New Money Maker”

    Family “Dale’s Backyard Weed”

    Popular Videos “Loch Ness Monster and Big Foot Song”

    Men “Want a Bigger Penis?”

    Women “Why Women Want Men to Have a Bigger Penis”


    Look, Propeller is currently one of the more respected social networking sites because of the great content that is available. It isn’t that we can’t or shouldn’t submit our own content to Propeller, but if we’re going to we should try and at least make it relevant and more than a couple of lines of content and five pages of ads.

    This is meant to be funny and I hope it is. But, as a person who has been with Propeller from nearly the beginning I’ve noticed a substantial decline in the quality of submissions. And you know whose fault that is? Ours. The users of Propeller. It’s our community and if we want to keep it relevant we can’t let it turn into a place where spammers post garbage submissions with no content. If we don’t vote them up, they’ll go away. If they’re not making money, they’ll go away.

    So, if you like a submission’s content (not just the headline) please vote for it. If you know a person or two that you can count on to submit good content, vote for them. But, as Propeller People let’s make a resolution this year that can be summed up in four words:

    No Content = No Vote

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  • No Content = No Vote, Part 1

    NO CONTENT = NO VOTE

    Blind Voter
    Don’t Be A Blind Voter!

    Propeller is a unique social news network. Like any good community there is a great deal of diversity and though passionately held views are bantered about sometimes, the vast majority of comments remain amiable and tolerant. Ideas are debated and considered, though sometimes skirmishes flare up, for such a diverse community the majority seems able to freely express themselves without resorting to clawing, scratching, and personally attacking those with divergent views. Everyone posting here has a stake in the community, after all, if we didn’t like it we wouldn’t be here. Keeping Propeller a high quality social on line community is each of our responsibilities.

    Newer members- the best way to have a great experience on Propeller is to participate in the threads, as you encounter people who post things you find interesting or commentary you enjoy, add them to your friends list. To keep the value of our community high, select your propeller friends based on a shared interest, respect for their submissions, or because you enjoy their comments. Please do not pick them randomly only to vote for your personal submissions. For instance if you post an article about Britney Spears don’t ask someone who never visits celebrity posts to vote for it unless you really think there is something in it that would interest them. This isn’t Digg. If you have a blog yourself, before you submit your blog as a story on propeller, please be sure it has enough content for members to bother with.

    blindfold

    I get private messages every day from people I’ve never conversed with who ask if I will vote for their story. but when I look at their story it’s merely one or two sentences, or maybe a picture of a cat. This is not a credible submission. The blog is often loaded up with ads but little content. I love personal blogs, but some have nothing to say and are obviously attempts to garner some income through advertising, and nothing more. This is a type of spam.

    On some social news sites, this may be an acceptable approach to getting traffic to your story.

    It may be the norm. Our network of friends on propeller, at least in my experience usually is based on something more than “I voted for your story now vote for mine”. What has made Propeller different from other social sites is that it neither suffers from heavy handed editors-censorship; nor has it been overrun with trite articles voted up without consideration for content. Judging from my inbox, and the front page of late. This is changing.

    Everyone- The front page has been having an awful lot of these “game” articles appearing with no content to speak of. A number of people are voting for articles without actually visiting the sites. Please consider your vote a recommendation, an endorsement of the article. If there is only a sentence on the blog, it is poorly constructed and loaded with ads, what does this say about your integrity? Look I’m guilty of this also, someone sends a recommendation about how to buy a watch, in an effort to be “friendly” I voted for it only to discover there was only a sentence written and a bunch of ads for watches, wrinkle removers, and penis enlargers.

    I have voted for stories because there is an attractive photo of a pretty female as an avatar (It’s not unlikely the submitter is actually a balding old man in a mustard stained wife beater tee shirt guzzling beer). I was wrong to do this. It dilutes the strength of the community ’s merit. If enough people vote blindly, a picture of a cat becomes the top news story. I have vowed to stop this blind voting and I hope you will consider doing the same. We are not talking about any particular viewpoints, or subjects merely the lack of content. If for instance Mary812 sees some intriguing posts by Philmackracken 666, and decides to see what articles Phil voted on, will she find more stories of interest? Or spam and wasted space?

    Garbage Can

     

     

    EE-YI EE-YI OH!
    Old MacDonald had an ad farm…

    I sincerely hope we all consider whether or not a submission is merely spam masquerading as an article. Anytime a valueless spam article makes the front page, the experience of everyone on our site is diminished. Not only that, but the success of one spammer encourages more.

    A little thoughtful discretion will go a long way.

    Help keep Propeller the best social news community on the internet! Be a good citizen.

    Don’t enable spam and certainly don’t submit it!

    Remember…No Content- No Vote !


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